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fossilesque@mander.xyzM to Science Memes@mander.xyzEnglish · 1 year ago

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  • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
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    Remember folks, if you pirate scientific papers you’re stealing from the hard working…wait a minute…

    • Renacles@lemmy.world
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      You wouldn’t download a car

      • casmael@lemm.ee
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        I would, actually

      • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
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        Lol you wouldn’t download knowledge.

  • jet@hackertalks.com
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    This isn’t a meme, it’s a crime

    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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      There are literally tens of thousands of people in academia who could build a transparent, open-source, non-profit publishing system of their own.

      Why don’t they?

      • fossilesque@mander.xyzOPM
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        There is a transitioning happening but progress churns slowly. I like to compare it to getting out of an abusive relationship.

        https://sparcopen.org/our-work/big-deal-knowledge-base/unbundling-profiles/mit-libraries/

        https://tagteam.harvard.edu/hubs/oatp/items

      • daddy32@lemmy.world
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        Corruption - at the highest level.

      • howrar@lemmy.ca
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        I don’t know about other fields, but we did do this for AI. It’s all community-run, papers are freely available for everyone to read, and the cost of submission in a peer-reviewed venue is to review other papers. The publishers don’t actually provide anything of value except name recognition and being “reputable”, which they maintain through momentum.

        • xspurnx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Oh, could you share some links?

          • howrar@lemmy.ca
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            Links to what?

            • xspurnx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              Sorry, I might have misunderstood - I thought there would be some journals employing that “review to submit” system you mentioned.

              • howrar@lemmy.ca
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                Ah, yes. I just wasn’t clear on whether you wanted to know more about the publication venues or about the value of publishers or something else.

                In AI, we normally publish in conferences rather than journals. Some of the big ones are

                • Neurips
                • ICML
                • ICLR
                • AAAI

                There is a new journal I know of (TMLR) that’s becoming a bit more popular in these circles, but I believe they rely solely on volunteers to review rather than asking those who submit papers.

                • xspurnx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  Thanks, I will be looking into this!

  • darki@lemmy.world
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    and don’t use Sci-hub people. I am warning ⚠️ you so you can avoid it 🫡

    • fossilesque@mander.xyzOPM
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      Annas Archives

  • howrar@lemmy.ca
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    Academic Authors: $0

    FAKE NEWS

    This should be in the negatives. We have to pay to get papers published in these traditional journals.

    • mumblerfish@lemmy.world
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      And sometimes open access costs money for the author too.

  • banana_havoc@lemm.ee
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    Reviewers and writers actually do get a stipend, but it’s a token amount like 200 bucks a year. This industry is the most ass backward incentive structure we could possibly create, the only reason writers would provide articles to a journal is literally for the clout.

    • cassowary@lemm.ee
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      Really? I’ve reviewed and published a good chunk of papers and never received any financial compensation.

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      I’ve never gotten a stipend or heard of someone getting a stipend for publishing or reviewing manuscripts. The only thing I’ve been offered is access to the journal.

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        Depends on the journal I guess, my wife worked at multiple publishers and there’s normally an insultingly small stipend for the editorial board members and writers

  • demizerone@lemmy.world
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    Just like the Olympics. The companies are vampire squids.

    • Avicenna@lemmy.world
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      vampire squid makes them sound cute, they are literally the scum of the earth: They are leeching billions from what is normally a tax funded sector and on the side heavily polarising publishing and access to science in favor of rich countries.

    • Kanda@reddthat.com
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      That’s unfair to both vampires and squids

  • JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world
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    NGL if I was a college professor in this situation I’d be pirating my own work fuck these guys

    • barnaclebutt@lemmy.world
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      I do it all the time. Something something sci-hub. If you ask, the authors will almost always share a preprint.

    • YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub
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      Very frequently you can email the author of the paper and they will be super happy to send you a copy.

  • mEEGal@lemmy.world
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    but wait…

    where meme part ?

    • gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      It’s a meme because it first makes you laugh, and then it makes you think.

    • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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      Internet memes come from the original concept of memes as an element of culture passed on from person to person.

      From Wikipedia’s “internet meme” article.

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