but what the actual fuck they can unlock your car.
Unfortunately, any car that has an ‘app’ where you can unlock your car… They can unlock your car. Whether or not you use or have the app. This includes onstar and all the rest
The capability I’m not against. It is nice that when the kid/dog locks the door or you lose your keys or whatever you don’t have to wait for someone to show up. Car keys/locks aren’t all that secure either. It should all be local PKI over bluetooth or something, but that’s another discussion, and even then an override if your phone/key gets lost/corrupted would be necessary.
The legal framework for if/when it’s fine to get a locksmith or break a window to get into a vehicle is pretty well established. Like a lot of other things the law for remote unlocking is lagging far behind tech.
It should all be local PKI over Bluetooth or something,
That would be a fun discussion. For a phone, it would be fine. For a key fob, we need something that could run on a PIC for a year without a battery change. We haven’t even tried to do anything new with PICs since 32bit microcontrollers got so cheap, but I’m not sure people would buy into something that had to charge to unlock their car.
I suppose using your phone wouldn’t be unreasonable. Maybe some of the better NFC as a backup?
I think something like NFC or encrypted RFID with the reader in the car would be nice, but would rely on the car having power which is another failure point. Really the best is just to have the fallback of a physical key like a lot of non-Tesla fobs have. Tech for convenience, physical for reliability.
Mostly I think it’s crazy that Tesla’s require an internet connection to unlock “from the phone”. You can’t just connect directly. It spawned an It’s Always Sunny episode when one of the guys had his Tesla fob stop working and then parked in a parking garage and “locked himself out” because the car didn’t have signal and it took days to resolve.
I mean it sounds like it could be video from the charging facility
I mean that’s what I assumed. I can’t imagine a reason one would want a camera watching you charge - like that’s an expense for little if any benefit. And if it was charged at a charging station owned by Tesla, I would be shocked if there wasn’t camera footage or if Tesla didn’t have access to it.
but what the actual fuck they can unlock your car.
I would imagine any car with keyless entry can be unlocked by the manufacturer if they have your VIN. They build the system and pair the keyfobs and locks, they’re bound to have that ability in case something happens to your keys.
I’d qualify that with a modern car with wireless connectivity, which, of course, all Teslas have.
As far as Elon himself having access, I doubt he sits there surfing camera footage like the most boring cable package in the world, but he owns the company, America’s privacy laws are sadly lacking, and he likes attention, so of course he’s going to get his name on this, whether he had a hand in it or not.
Maybe not Elon himself, but there’s been a leak some years ago from Tesla’s internal discord or something with engineers sharing photos from the cars external cameras as memes - stuff like the owners walking around in pajamas etc.
I mean it sounds like it could be video from the charging facility but what the actual fuck they can unlock your car.
And yeah y’know what I bet they can get the video. Dear God why would anyone buy a Tesla
Unfortunately, any car that has an ‘app’ where you can unlock your car… They can unlock your car. Whether or not you use or have the app. This includes onstar and all the rest
The capability I’m not against. It is nice that when the kid/dog locks the door or you lose your keys or whatever you don’t have to wait for someone to show up. Car keys/locks aren’t all that secure either. It should all be local PKI over bluetooth or something, but that’s another discussion, and even then an override if your phone/key gets lost/corrupted would be necessary.
The legal framework for if/when it’s fine to get a locksmith or break a window to get into a vehicle is pretty well established. Like a lot of other things the law for remote unlocking is lagging far behind tech.
That would be a fun discussion. For a phone, it would be fine. For a key fob, we need something that could run on a PIC for a year without a battery change. We haven’t even tried to do anything new with PICs since 32bit microcontrollers got so cheap, but I’m not sure people would buy into something that had to charge to unlock their car.
I suppose using your phone wouldn’t be unreasonable. Maybe some of the better NFC as a backup?
I think something like NFC or encrypted RFID with the reader in the car would be nice, but would rely on the car having power which is another failure point. Really the best is just to have the fallback of a physical key like a lot of non-Tesla fobs have. Tech for convenience, physical for reliability.
Mostly I think it’s crazy that Tesla’s require an internet connection to unlock “from the phone”. You can’t just connect directly. It spawned an It’s Always Sunny episode when one of the guys had his Tesla fob stop working and then parked in a parking garage and “locked himself out” because the car didn’t have signal and it took days to resolve.
I’m not disagreeing with you, but it’s definitely possible to have that functionality without the ability for the provider to unlock the car.
I mean that’s what I assumed. I can’t imagine a reason one would want a camera watching you charge - like that’s an expense for little if any benefit. And if it was charged at a charging station owned by Tesla, I would be shocked if there wasn’t camera footage or if Tesla didn’t have access to it.
I would imagine any car with keyless entry can be unlocked by the manufacturer if they have your VIN. They build the system and pair the keyfobs and locks, they’re bound to have that ability in case something happens to your keys.
I’d qualify that with a modern car with wireless connectivity, which, of course, all Teslas have.
As far as Elon himself having access, I doubt he sits there surfing camera footage like the most boring cable package in the world, but he owns the company, America’s privacy laws are sadly lacking, and he likes attention, so of course he’s going to get his name on this, whether he had a hand in it or not.
Maybe not Elon himself, but there’s been a leak some years ago from Tesla’s internal discord or something with engineers sharing photos from the cars external cameras as memes - stuff like the owners walking around in pajamas etc.
It wasn’t just outside the car, they were sharing video and pictures from inside the car too. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/tesla-workers-shared-images-from-car-cameras-including-scenes-of-intimacy/