• Obinice@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    They were allowing kids to use phones in classrooms up to that point…?

    When I went to school, if you were seen with your phone out during class it was confiscated until the end of the day. And back then all you could use them for was texting anyway haha.

    Anything that might distract from the lesson would be treated the same way, that’s just basic sense for any teacher.

    Why would teachers stop caring about phones in classrooms, especially given how famously addictive and problematic to attention etc we now know them to be?

  • RedditIsALostCause@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    Good, I’d probably have done way better in high school if my phone hadn’t been there (and if I’d gotten my ADHD dX and Adderall rX back then). No reason to have them on you if you’re a student. Parents and family can call the school if there’s an emergency.

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      18 days ago

      Educational experts, at least here in Germany, advise against a ban. A phone enables participation for a child among children who‘ll just work around the ban. The net effect will be negative.

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        18 days ago

        I remember reading a study not too long ago that said being excluded for not having a phone isn’t really happening in schools that have already banned phones.

        I’ll link it here if I can find it.

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          17 days ago

          I don’t see how.

          Most houses don’t have home phones anymore so kids cannot just call up their friends. I think the over lap of people who don’t allow kids’ phones also don’t allow social media is high.

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            17 days ago

            Younger children (ages 6-11) shouldn’t have more than a basic “Ladybug-esque” phone, their parents should largely be coordinating playdates between friends and supervising them during anyways — so there’s no need to text.

            Tweens, IMO, can start getting a real phone but parents need to step up and lock that shit down. No social media, no adult sites, no ability to contact strangers.

            Then, as the kids learn and become more responsible, the parents should start unlocking features as privileges upon a showing that child understands the internet, its permanency, and how it can be a useful tool but also a possible addiction/source for harm.

            I’d say when the children are in their teens, social media should start to be unlocked BUT monitored. I really think the big social media companies are just evil and don’y care about protecting children at all, so it’s up to the parents to ensure that.

            Then when the kid becomes an adult, their parents have no say and hopefully the parents prepared them well for the real world!

            I say this as an adult who had technologically illiterate parents as a child and thus I had free access to the internet and the birth of modern social media around the age of 11 or 12 lol. I saw shit that definitely left impressions on my brain (r/watchpeopledie on reddit) and was also almost groomed by a stranger lol. I imagine the internet would be even worse for my younger self’s brain nowadays.

            Overall, I think more in-person socialization would be better for everyone of all ages.

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      18 days ago

      So if there is an earthquake or something, you expect to connect through the school phone number? Yeah right.

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        17 days ago

        If there’s an earthquake — I hope people/children are more concerned about getting to safety rather than calling mommy and telling her that they are about to die because rather than get to safety they got distracted by their phone calling her.

        After the earthquake, if it’s catastrophic, the parents know where the kids are. Hint: AT THE FUCKIN’ SCHOOL. And they will likely need to go pick them up anyways.

        What kind of stupid thought process led you to believe you’re making some sort of intelligent point here? Get real, touch grass.

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          15 days ago

          I know they are AT THE FUCKING SCHOOL, but I don’t know if they are alive and well and I don’t need to worry much, or they are hurt and need medical attention or worse. A simple fucking SMS will alleviate any worries INSTEAD OF LEAVING WORK AND TRAVELING FOR 1.5 FUCKING HOURS TO GET TO THE SCHOOL to see for myself.

          Which one is simpler, pray tell, Mr. Smartpants? Do you even have any kids or what? Because you don’t really sound like a parent.

            • dukemirage@lemmy.world
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              14 days ago

              Not everyone has the luxury of close proximity public infrastructure and workplace.

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                14 days ago

                Hardly a luxury. Don’t have kids if you’re not going to plan around having kids. And if you have kids and plan poorly don’t start going “woe is me” to strangers on the internet about how hard your life is based off your own life choices. Get out of my dm’s you stalker lol.

                • dukemirage@lemmy.world
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                  14 days ago

                  oh you‘re that guy. nevermind then, I don’t expect empathic thoughts from you. blocking will keep me from accidentally replying to you so don’t you worry.

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    18 days ago

    As a teacher from a country that passed a similar law a few months ago: this is stupid, it won’t work unless you get parents involved. Also, it offloads the parenting responsibility to already overworked teachers. You know a law that could actually be more effective? Ban the use of social media for those below 18. Another one? Make the use of parental controls mandatory for people below 18. This kind of law may only work if it’s implemented together with other changes where it’s possible to spread the responsibility over the issue across many layers. If all you’re doing is relying on schools and teachers, all this law will do is to contribute even more to the high levels of burnout teachers have. Can we please force parents to actually have to parent their fucking kids??

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      18 days ago

      Banning social media for people under 18 years old also offload parenting works to the government and corporations, this will impact everyone privacy and sincerely I’d rather keep my privacy even if I don’t use corporate social media.

      Your second suggestion is appealing, why we don’t put cameras in people houses to see if they comply and if they don’t straight to jail.

      Also we make special routers that enforce parental control unless you provide an id or you are capable enough to allow specific devices to go on blacklisted websites, and you must have one if you have kids, at the store the guy at the counter will ask for your id and will have all of your relatives ages, the same will apply with ISP.

      I’m sorry you are overworked but I’m pretty sure that unless you have to search kids backpacks in your specific instance you can make it like my teachers and professors managed to do 15 years ago.

      How does this work? Well you spot a cellphone and you get it from the kid, you don’t spot one you go about with your lesson, you have shitty kids and you fear them and their parents? Let em use the phone and have them fail the year or I don’t know maybe its not the job for you but its not like you have to do double work to confiscate a phone.

      Also kids will have cellphones no matter what, they will have it to call home and for emergencies, so parents involved in what? A good parent dont want their kid to use it during the lesson, but they don’t know better, many of them dont know how to set parental control or if it even exist.

      Sorry if this come across as harsh, but I’m more tired then you to have my freedom stripped away for children and stupid teens.