Pretending that Marxist-Leninists have Leftist beliefs is cute. That workers have no self-determination and have to tow the party line under threat of violence is the dead giveaway
Quit stinking up the revolution with your CIA indoctrinated understanding of “authoritarianism” and your non materialist way of understanding history. To you, European social-democracy isn’t authoritarian because you happen not to live in the lands affected by neocolonialism.
Related to your post: I’ve seen people from Lemmy.ml defend imperialist behaviour from Russia and China. Surely the left is supposed to oppose imperialism - whether it’s from the US, Europe, Russia, China, or anywhere else.
The communist party is run by the working classes and derives its power from popular support. The people oppressed by communist parties were overwhelmingly fascists, landlords, and capitalists.
Out right lies. The communist parties (the ones that have existed, not the the theoretical ones) derive their power from threat of violence against workers. They’re a non-hereditary nobility that oppress workers (except North Korea which is now a hereditary monarchy).
Incorrect, on all counts. Communist parties derive their power from popular support from the working classes, as they themselves are working class. State violence is used against fascists, sabateurs, capitalists, and landlords. If they truly were a nobility concerned only with oppressing workers, then you have to prove why there was such dramatic improvements in social welfare, poverty eradication, key life metrics, studied Marxism and taught it in universities, and more. Certainly these would have been of no importance to a new ruling class?
Communist parties derive their power from popular support from the working classes
Political power flows from the barrel of a gun, not popular support. But of course strict control of News, Education, public discourse, and suppression of criticism really helps with the popular support.
State violence is used against fascists, sabateurs, capitalists, and landlords
as well as the workers
why there was such dramatic improvements
A phenomena that has occurred in plenty of other countries
studied Marxism and taught it in universities, and more
Priests, much like Bolshevik party officials, exist to maintain the system of control over the working class on behalf of their rulers and religion is widely taught in universities just like Marxist-Leninism was.
Marx has some interesting things to say, he should definitely be required reading, but Marxists treat Das Kapital like Christians treat the Bible.
Political power does flow from the barrel of a gun, but a revolution is doomed to fail without popular support, including a socialist government. The working classes were not oppressed by socialist states but instead uplifted, dramatically more than capitalist peer countries. The only countries that supercede socialist ones are ones that rely on imperialism.
The implication that Marxism-Leninism is a religion is baseless, the purpose of Marxism-Leninism is to abolish classes, not to maintain a ruling class like liberalism is.
Why are you going through old comments of mine to reply to?
but a revolution is doomed to fail without popular support
Which is why almost all of them ultimately collapsed. East Germany famously got to a point where they were spending more money on the Secret Police than on the military.
the purpose of Marxism-Leninism is to abolish classes
Todays home work assignment is to look up “Defacto and Dejure”
Why are you going through old comments of mine to reply to?
Don’t flatter yourself. You churn out comments at an incredible rate and you’re on half the Posts I look at.
Sure, so in instances where socialism continues we can tell that it enjoys popular support. The soviet union dissolved, but we have billions living in socialism happily. I’m aware that one can say something and not mean it, but the fact that that’s possible does not mean that it’s always the case. You in particular never make any meaningful points, you cast a silly phrase or two and then act like everyone else is unreasonable.
I’m a communist and that’s false for me and every communist I know IRL that I work with, and is also false on an international scale. Communist parties are working class parties.
Communists love to wear working class struggle as a disguise. They aren’t working class and once they get power they use and abuse them just like every other rich cunt.
This is nonsense. Communists seek collectivization of production and distribution to satisfy the needs of all, and when communists take power the first things they do is implement measures like land reform, literacy campaigns, and expropriate property from landlords and capitalists to better serve the interests of the people.
First thing they do is strip rights away from people. Second thing they do is start erasing history. Third is increasing police forces to crack down on any dissent.
Communists serve the communist party not the people.
Again, untrue. In Russia, for example, life expectancies doubled, literacy rates went from 20-30% to full literacy, working hours dropped while real wages rose, healthcare and education were free and high quality, the economy was democratized and the country went from a feudal backward to space in less than a century, beating the Nazis along the way.
They dramatically expand rights, teach history, and cracked down on the fascists, capitalists, and landlords.
That problem is that not all communists were made equal. I’ve heard plenty of communists talk that I can respect but MLs aren’t the ones. Bolsheviks always managed to get their needs especially met and before anyone elses needs.
Marxism-Leninism is the only branch of communism that has actually successfully implemented socialism. I’m not sure what communists you spoke with that you can respect if you don’t respect any that have actually succeeded. The point about MLs ensuring their needs are met before anyone elses is just nonsense considering everywhere socialism has been implemented by MLs has come with dramatic improvements in the lives of the working classes.
Most of my friends are some flavor of Anarchist or Socialist. Of the two outright Commies that I’ve known (who described themselves as such) one was a man of the people and the other was a lazy spoiled phony who’s communism expressed itself mainly as sharing memes on facebook.
Pretending that Marxist-Leninists have Leftist beliefs is cute. That workers have no self-determination and have to tow the party line under threat of violence is the dead giveaway
What not reading and uncritically swallowing western propaganda does to a MF
Here’s one of the bootlickers now. Bro, you’re a right winger obsessed with collectivization. Quit stinking up the revolution with your nonsense.
Quit stinking up the revolution with your CIA indoctrinated understanding of “authoritarianism” and your non materialist way of understanding history. To you, European social-democracy isn’t authoritarian because you happen not to live in the lands affected by neocolonialism.
Meanwhile you swallow campist doctrine. Ok buddy
Projecting much?
Related to your post: I’ve seen people from Lemmy.ml defend imperialist behaviour from Russia and China. Surely the left is supposed to oppose imperialism - whether it’s from the US, Europe, Russia, China, or anywhere else.
The communist party is run by the working classes and derives its power from popular support. The people oppressed by communist parties were overwhelmingly fascists, landlords, and capitalists.
Out right lies. The communist parties (the ones that have existed, not the the theoretical ones) derive their power from threat of violence against workers. They’re a non-hereditary nobility that oppress workers (except North Korea which is now a hereditary monarchy).
Incorrect, on all counts. Communist parties derive their power from popular support from the working classes, as they themselves are working class. State violence is used against fascists, sabateurs, capitalists, and landlords. If they truly were a nobility concerned only with oppressing workers, then you have to prove why there was such dramatic improvements in social welfare, poverty eradication, key life metrics, studied Marxism and taught it in universities, and more. Certainly these would have been of no importance to a new ruling class?
You’re dramatically incorrect here.
Political power flows from the barrel of a gun, not popular support. But of course strict control of News, Education, public discourse, and suppression of criticism really helps with the popular support.
as well as the workers
A phenomena that has occurred in plenty of other countries
Priests, much like Bolshevik party officials, exist to maintain the system of control over the working class on behalf of their rulers and religion is widely taught in universities just like Marxist-Leninism was.
Marx has some interesting things to say, he should definitely be required reading, but Marxists treat Das Kapital like Christians treat the Bible.
Political power does flow from the barrel of a gun, but a revolution is doomed to fail without popular support, including a socialist government. The working classes were not oppressed by socialist states but instead uplifted, dramatically more than capitalist peer countries. The only countries that supercede socialist ones are ones that rely on imperialism.
The implication that Marxism-Leninism is a religion is baseless, the purpose of Marxism-Leninism is to abolish classes, not to maintain a ruling class like liberalism is.
Why are you going through old comments of mine to reply to?
Which is why almost all of them ultimately collapsed. East Germany famously got to a point where they were spending more money on the Secret Police than on the military.
Todays home work assignment is to look up “Defacto and Dejure”
Don’t flatter yourself. You churn out comments at an incredible rate and you’re on half the Posts I look at.
Sure, so in instances where socialism continues we can tell that it enjoys popular support. The soviet union dissolved, but we have billions living in socialism happily. I’m aware that one can say something and not mean it, but the fact that that’s possible does not mean that it’s always the case. You in particular never make any meaningful points, you cast a silly phrase or two and then act like everyone else is unreasonable.
Communists are rich people who are privileged enough to not work and spend all day larping. They dont know working class people they’ve never met any.
I’m a communist and that’s false for me and every communist I know IRL that I work with, and is also false on an international scale. Communist parties are working class parties.
Communists love to wear working class struggle as a disguise. They aren’t working class and once they get power they use and abuse them just like every other rich cunt.
This is nonsense. Communists seek collectivization of production and distribution to satisfy the needs of all, and when communists take power the first things they do is implement measures like land reform, literacy campaigns, and expropriate property from landlords and capitalists to better serve the interests of the people.
First thing they do is strip rights away from people. Second thing they do is start erasing history. Third is increasing police forces to crack down on any dissent.
Communists serve the communist party not the people.
Again, untrue. In Russia, for example, life expectancies doubled, literacy rates went from 20-30% to full literacy, working hours dropped while real wages rose, healthcare and education were free and high quality, the economy was democratized and the country went from a feudal backward to space in less than a century, beating the Nazis along the way.
They dramatically expand rights, teach history, and cracked down on the fascists, capitalists, and landlords.
Ah yes russia what a great example
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That problem is that not all communists were made equal. I’ve heard plenty of communists talk that I can respect but MLs aren’t the ones. Bolsheviks always managed to get their needs especially met and before anyone elses needs.
Marxism-Leninism is the only branch of communism that has actually successfully implemented socialism. I’m not sure what communists you spoke with that you can respect if you don’t respect any that have actually succeeded. The point about MLs ensuring their needs are met before anyone elses is just nonsense considering everywhere socialism has been implemented by MLs has come with dramatic improvements in the lives of the working classes.
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Some communists, not all communists.
Nah pretty safe to say all.
Not every communist is Marxist-Leninist/Bolshevik. Some communists support the working class for example.
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Most of my friends are some flavor of Anarchist or Socialist. Of the two outright Commies that I’ve known (who described themselves as such) one was a man of the people and the other was a lazy spoiled phony who’s communism expressed itself mainly as sharing memes on facebook.