• deft@lemmy.wtf
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    2 years ago

    Good honestly. The world needs to stop using America as a cure-all solution.

    Weapons are evil, oil is bad, neo liberalism is terrorism and capitalism is slavery. Knock it all off

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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      Weapons are evil, oil is bad, neo liberalism is terrorism and capitalism is slavery. Knock it all off

      And you are 14. I presume. Or really badly educated, or just plain naive and suckered in with lots of slogans, perhaps?

      Capitalism has issues, bad issues. It also is the most successful system of all and is the reason the West towers over the rest. Is capitalism slavery? Don’t be stupid. Without capitalism you wouldn’t have your mobile phone that you use to bitch about capitalism. You NEED limited and controlled capitalism, like it or not. Use it to fund a huge social system for everyone, awesome.

      Oil is bad? Without oil you wouldn’t be alive, the world average lifespan would be closer to half of what it is today. Do you really believe your vegan salad just magically appeared out of thin air on your plate? Oil has gone into transport, energy production, lubricants, and god knows what more to get you safely your food, your medicine, your water, your energy, your heat, your life. Is oil a big problem with CO2? Absolutely. Should we have started a transition away from oil use decades ago? Absolutely. Is it a problem? Yes, we need to fix this, rather yesterday than tomorrow. Is oil bad in on itself? Don’t be stupid.

      Weapons are evil? Weapons are tools, first of all. Lethal tools, sure, but so is just about all farm equipment.wars are bad? Of course they are. Should we throw all weapons with the trash? Sure! Just one question though… What is your plan when Putin, who didn’t throw his weapons with the trash, comes rolling your ass over in a tank to rape and murder your loved ones? You know, just asking since that is what he’s doing right now in the Ukraine. He’s also not the only one, Winnie Pooh also would love to play some land grab and opponent murder. There is a reason we have weapons, you know. Loads of powerful dictators out there that would love to enslave us all

      So grow up. If you are 14, that’s what you’ll do and you’ll see that your opinions change the more you learn, mostly, hopefully, to more moderate and well reasoned views. If you are 24 then dear god man, start reading books, start reading some history.

      • deft@lemmy.wtf
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        2 years ago

        Literal Dunning-Kruger in real time wow.

        Bro you really believe what you’re saying and do not understand the connection between the state of the world and the Industrial Military Complex, the school-to-prison pipeline, the Pharmaceutical Industry you’re out of your own mind.

        Why is the term banana republic even a thing?

        Who is Allen Dulles?

        How do you even justify a system that literally only exists through blood money? What the fuck

    • Aux@lemmy.worldBannedBanned from community
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      2 years ago

      You made too many mistakes in word “communism”.

  • Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    Our Allies should rightly be concerned. The US has become more and more isolationist. The last major free trade treaty was under the TPP under Obama and both Hillary and Trump stated they would not support its passing.

    The US is now energy independent and a net exporter. The US is also in the middle of the largest industrial build out in history which will bring much of our industrial plant back to North America.

    In ten or fifteen years there will be no need for the US to get involved and keep sea lanes open like we are in the Red Sea. We can maintain a presence in the few areas that we deem critical.

    My two sons will be of military age soon I would not support active involvement in any war that would risk their lives for Europe, Middle Eastern or other far flung countries when there is no real threat to mainland US. Supply military and financial aid, sure, but no boots on the ground. We don’t need to fight other peoples wars for them.

    • BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world
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      The US is also in the middle of the largest industrial build out in history which will bring much of our industrial plant back to North America.

      What’s this now?

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        See article for details but there is a huge surge in construction of factories and manufacturing in North America.

        Mostly due to decoupling from China, not only because they’ve proven to be terrible economic partners but because their population is imploding.

        We also found that we can automate a lot of manufacturing since Covid. A textile factory used to need hundreds of workers. With modern mills you need maybe a handful to maintain the machinery while it produces almost finished garments. You can now locate your factory near consumers and avoid long transport.

        https://home.treasury.gov/news/featured-stories/unpacking-the-boom-in-us-construction-of-manufacturing-facilities

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      Supply military and financial aid, sure, but no boots on the ground.

      The US is failing to do even that minimal level of assistance in this case. No American troops are helping Ukraine fight, it’s all been training and supplies. That’s all that’s been requested by them. And that’s what the Republicans are blocking.

      • Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world
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        Yep, those are extreme isolationists/Putin stooges.

        This used to be the militant wing of the Republican Party. Just more evidence that the US doesn’t want to get involved in foreign military adventures after 20years in the desert.

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      TPP was a horrible treaty. The entire process was basically Hollywood and a few other corporate entities writing out their dream laws that were too horrible to actually pass any legislative body. But once it was in a treaty, they could hound Congress to pass said laws to “meet international obligations”.

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        TPP was horrible, many, many give aways to the entertainment and medical industries. But my point still stands, there have been no regional free trade agreements attempted since TPP.

        We’ve only negotiated bi lateral agreements with individual governments on narrow issues.

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      The problem is isolationism often leads to situations we can’t ignore, as with the world wars. We were isolationists before then, and we benefited greatly from our international involvement ever since. We are the richest country in the history of the world largely thanks to our geography and international involvement. The dollar is the world’s fiat currency. We prefer not to fight wars for other people, rather we usually just fund and arm groups that share our interests.

      If we withdraw back into our shell, we lose the privileged place we have in the world.

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        I’d argue that the US greatly benefited from isolationism during the world wars, since all the main destruction happened in Europe/Asia.

        This meant that after joining the war late and being in the winning side, they were perfectly poised to inject themselves as a global trade leader. Ironically isolationism brought about the globalist policy today.

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          Yes, being late to the party did benefit the US, but only because we stopped being isolationist.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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      My two sons will be of military age soon I would not support active involvement in any war that would risk their lives for Europe, Middle Eastern or other far flung countries when there is no real threat to mainland US.

      What the fuck…

      Like, I get it. I’m from a red state, my public education is not the best.

      But where did you grow up that they didn’t even cover WW2 in school?

      We ignore countries invading other countries, and we lose our allies while countries like Russia grow stronger.

      They’ll never stop. Even if Russia “restored the USSR” they’re not going to just sit back and relax once that happens.

      “Sparing” your two sons from a war that’s not going to even have a draft is dooming your grandchildren to living thru ww3 where there will be a draft again and even civilian survivors will (if incredibly lucky and wealthy)live through nuclear Armageddon.

      Proxy wars are the only way we’ve avoided more nuclear bombs, and if one side stops fighting the other is just going to speed up.

      • Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world
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        If you want to send your sons and/or enlist yourself to fight in other countries conflicts be my guest. Ukraine is taking foreign fighters you could sign up and serve to protect your global order tomorrow.

        Russia has proven incompetent at modern warfare. The Europeans can figure out how to defend against them on their own.

        Once we have reshored our industrial base in a decade there is no reason to support the global order as it stands. Let Europe or China try and maintain the sea ways and keep peace in areas like Africa and the Middle East if they need those resources so bad. Honestly, it would be better for the worlds environment if they couldn’t continue ravaging the land and burning fossil fuels.

        As stated before I have no problem with providing material support. But I have no interest in involving American troops if there are no direct threats to our homeland.

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          Mate the Russians don’t have to be competent, they just to zerg their way in. Like they are successfully doing now in Ukraine since the Ukrainian army has to put strict quotas on ammo usage.

          I was enlisted around 20 years ago in the middle of Afghan/Iraq madness and was going around American bases to “protect them from terrorists” and I’d happily do it again since it means my family won’t have to be subject of nuclear Armageddon

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        But where did you grow up that they didn’t even cover WW2 in school?

        Buddy, the US was supplying the Nazis (well bothd sides) as a “neutral country” up until Pearl Arbor. A whole two years after the start of the war.

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          So you think we should do the same now?

          The other person is arguing for inaction, I’m saying it’ll get worse if we ignore it like in ww2 and try to stay neutral…

          And you tell me we tried to stay neutral in ww2 like it’s some kind of “got ya”?

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            Your reading comprehension needs work. I made no such comment. I simply pointed out that your premises was historically false.

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          Sweet jesus, talk about reading a headline and not the whole srticle. Go back and see what they were supplying and in what quantities to each side.

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    To be fair, a multipolar world is fine. It’s not in our, or anyone else’s really, interests to try to dictate to other overseas peoples how they should structure their lives and governments. We did give it a shot, make no mistake, but it doesn’t tend to work out all that well.

    We have no ability to stop the rise of places like China and India though, so fine, rise. We’ll only run into problems if this whole “spheres of influence” thing makes them think they can attack someone we have a security treaty with. That would be a problem.

    You want to use economic or social power instead of military power though? Try to convince people instead of force them at gunpoint? Fine. No big deal. These methods honor their freedom. That’s a multipolar world we can work with.

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      In principle I agree, but the other poles are fucking with “us” though. Let’s define “us” as the NATO-aligned countries.

      India is offing political dissidents in Canada and the US (that’s an honorable mention, since the US assassins were caught). China is setting up “police stations” in Western countries to intimidate ex-pats, not to mention the ongoing industrial espionage thing. Russia and North Korea seem to be conducting regular cyber attacks against NATO members (including civilian targets). And we’ve resigned ourselves to constant misinformation campaigns (+ election meddling) from Russia, China, and Iran.

      If other poles follow the same gentleman’s agreement, that works out. But I’m not sure how “we” can take the high road when other countries aren’t.

  • rayyy@lemmy.world
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    Headline should read, “American allies worry the US is growing less dependable, because of Republican House insurrectionists”

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      No, the headline correctly expresses the sentiments of foreign leaders about american stability, regardless of the outcome of our elections.

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      That’s a major part, but the key problem IMO is that the USA has shown multiple times that a change in president can be enough to shatter existing promises and expectations. Even if we got the most progressive, effective president in the history of our nation, anything they accomplished could be undone by a single change of admin.

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      If you think that’s the only foreign policy issue America has, you might be wasting your money on that subscription to “The Atlantic”

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    Didn’t anyone tell the rest of the world that as long as Republicans are slightly worse no one is allowed to criticize Biden?!

    Like, how dare they expect us to have any kind of standard than “not named trump”?

    Don’t they know the entire population of America is two geriatric white assholes whose wealth and power have completely separated them from what the average Americans life is like for longer than the average American has been alive!

    /S