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I’m bothered that big companies, especially tech right now, no longer see their customers as people they need to please to stay in business, but instead as something they’ll inconvenience and squeeze as much as they can possibly get away with.
They all got to where they are making, at one point, amazing products. Now? Fuck making windows useful, we can throw ads and AI at you every place we can think of. Fuck all of the parts of Android that made it stand out, we tell you what to install. You don’t want all of your data scraped and sold? Fuck you, there’s 3 of us and we’re all doing it. In fact we’ll never stop finding new ways to harvest data.
Phones have basically stagnated entirely in the US. Sure you get moderately better chipsets, but what else? AI? I haven’t had a phone struggle with anything in… maybe 10 years. Instead features that people didn’t use enough just get removed.
I’m actively looking for a new phone that has 0 Google in it, and am looking ad de-Googling the rest of my life.
I remember being genuinely hyped about Gmail in 2008. Now, I don’t want them accessing any of my data.
I’m taking steps, slowly, as well. I’m getting off windows very soon, I’m working on getting off of various services these companies run one at a time. Depending on what really happens with Android and Google we’ll see.
Another way of deGoogling would be to, ironically, use a Pixel phone and side-load a privacy focused OS like Graphene or CalyxOS. With them, literally everything needs express permissions to be used, whether it’s your camera, location, microphone, etc. You can even sandbox the Play Store and other Google services so they can’t access your deeper files.
CalyxOS is not hardened in any way and is in some ways less secure than stock AOSP. They are also on a hiatus and have discontinued updates: https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24791-departure-of-calyx-calyxos-leadership-and-discontinuation-of-calyxos-updates
Huh… That’s news to me. When I was first looking into it, that OS was mentioned here and there. I ended up putting Graphene on my phone and left it at that, so I didn’t even bother keeping up with any of the other stuff.
Well, because it’s wrong. Graphene fanboys usually just repeat what the lead devs says. This user’s comments can be found almost 1:1 in the GOS forums from the official account.
The infuriating part of the Google enshittification process is that there is absolutely nothing the user can do about it.
Literally the only thing that motivates Google is profit. Controlling side-loaded apps will almost certainly boost their profits by a infinitesimal fraction of a percent, therefore it will be done. Even if consumer uproar causes Google to back down in the short term, they’ll simply implement this a few months later. Late-stage Capitalism sucks.
You can stop using all Google products. Now I understand their market share on the web means they’re going to continue to shape the web.
But make no mistake. There is something, however small, that you can do. De-Google.
You can stop using all Google products.
My public school – that my children are basically required by law to attend, remember – is badgering me to sign a consent form so they can have Chromebooks.
This fight is a lot fucking larger than mere individual boycotts!
And my kids school requires every parent to have a Google account to track progress and share information.
What happens if you refuse?
They kill you!
They probably would have to find accommodation for you, although I’m sure it’d be very inconvenient. But still technically there.
As to if you refuse to have your child be issued a Chromebook and Google account, probably not much you can do, as they are providing everything.
My personal answer to this question is the same as if it were an employer issued mandatory Chromebook; me the employee (or my child the student) is a different entity than me the individual. Me the individual refuses to have anything to do with Google, and that’s enough of a fight for me.
Around here if you can’t refuse. My coworker is currently fighting that battle. His basically being threatened by the state that he either complies, home schools and compiles with those requirements which still has google requirements. Or he has to deal with the legal penalties of not sending his kid to school.
The accomodations is basically pay out of pocket for a private school. Because there is no accmodation for “free” services. Even the “poor” can do it so it’s a non optional expectation.
Mine too, so I do agree with you the issue is larger.
But I believe it can start with individual boycotts.
cant you give your child a cheap laptop, or they require thier inhouse shitty ones, use only?
I don’t know yet; I’m about to email the media coordinator to find out what happens when I refuse to sign the form.
My kids already have Raspberry Pi 400s (might upgrade them to 500s soon), and I have about half a dozen other computers (not including old retired stuff or my pile of other Raspberry Pis), all running Linux. This house is not at all lacking in technology, and I no longer tolerate proprietary shit in it.
What’s really fucked up is that the school district makes all these decisions basically unilaterally – not just for Chromebooks, but for other proprietary nonsense like ClassDojo and Remind and MySchoolBucks – and just assumes every parent will be cool with unquestioningly entering contracts with all these third-party entities. And even worse, most parents are cool with it!
I will help hand hold anyone who wants to build servers or services (to the best of my ability) to replace Google services with their own.
There are a lot of alternatives out there. What service or services are you stuck on?
For me, MitID in Denmark. 100% required for society and life here, requires Google Play Services now :(
I tried e/os on my Fairphone for a bit. I think I could make it all work okay enough besides that. I should write people at the government or something I guess?
Don’t use the app then? I have a key thing which works quite well. https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/how-to-use-mitid/mitid-code-display/
TIL this exists. Super cool.
Hvad koster det?
As the much more timely reply indicates, it is quite free
Yes! Being active politically is always important.
Be civil and polite at first, you want these people on your side after all. But don’t be afraid to hold back if they respond with bullshit either. They are your representative, make them represent you and hold them to account if required.
Encouraging friends and family to write is usually a good idea too.
Not being politically engaged, I feel, is one of the main reasons for the downfall of democracy throughout the globe. Too many people think ticking a box every 4-5 years is all they need to do.
I don’t know myself, but Graphene OS (on Google Pixel phones) has a pretty impressive sandbox layer for the play store and the apps it installs. It might be worth looking into if you’re not aware of it currently. (But if you’re aware of the Fairphone, I’m guessing you probably know about Graphene).
On graphene the release of the integrity API broke most of my gvt applications. I will have to buy a cheap android phone to be able to fill my taxes… I contacted them, they told me it is for security, I argued but it is useless. I have to buy an android phone or be punished for not filling my taxes. Amazing
I do, but as far as I was aware my Fairphone can’t run Graphene? I would love to keep using my Fairphone over buying Google’s hardware at this point
Then buy second-hand. You aren’t giving Google any of your money, and you can focus on increasing your privacy.
Got any advice on alternatives to Drive? I keep considering nextcloud, but people I know have said it’s a resource hog and finicky at best.
Syncthing
This is the answer unless you consider setting up a DIY home server fun, which often the kinds of people who recommend options for this kind of thing do… so just keep that context in mind here with recommendations.
Syncthing is a great solution and it is wayyyyy less a headache than any other DIY method I have done for replacing cloud/filesharing purposes.
Syncthing is what Dropbox was, before Dropbox became just another cloud data provider.
De-googling will break banking apps, since most baking apps rely on Play Integrity checks and bootloader status.
Then don’t use the apps? Do your banking through the browser.
What a pompous and clueless suggestion. Some modern internet banks are app-olny.
Good luck with your revolution where 10 people are able to participate.
Don’t use those banks then.
Yes, let me build my life around a fucking ROM lmao.
I don’t understand why you’d have to do that? I have literally zero Google interaction and I don’t have to custom build something. And I access my banks (plural) in browser only.
I came here specifically to ask about alternatives to Android now that google is becoming too abusive in the relationship.
GrapheneOS works well. But only on pixel devices.
Ironic that you need a Google smartphone, isn’t it?
Its about time an open standard happened for mobile OSes.
That’s what Android was and they keep trying to undo that any way they can
We need a new one that isn’t made by a for-profit company that only was good at the beginning to get total market saturation before flipping the enshittification switch to maximize those profits.
why do we need a new one? can’t android be salvaged? lots of things have been solved already in a way that makes a relatively good foundation.
All the non-Google entities that build stuff on Android need to start banding together instead of siloing themselves. If AOSP is being closed, they need to create a non-profit replacement for it.
The fucked up part is nowadays third parties like banks or sometimes even governments make apps rely on Google services, so you can’t use an ungoogled phone for stuff you actually need for life…
I feel like this is the new normal cycle of every software company. Once they become a leader, it’s never enough. It replicates the rise of billionaires. Just as the billionaires being rich beyond anything they and all of their succeeding generations could ever spend is not enough, being the industry leader and producing an amazing product that people want is somehow not enough. It always turns to control and power.
I can’t wait for AI to become a living corporate trillionaire entity and fuck us all to the end of humanity.
Fuck google
Easily the most disgusting company in the planet and it’s funny that their old motto/slogan was ”Don’t be evil”.
Sounds like you’re not familiar with Oracle…
Fuck them. I have a guitar a pocket watch and a wind uo radio. Everything have is a nicety.
okay well goodbye Google, then
what’s the alternative here?
!remindme 2 years
Does !remindme work on Lemmy?
!remindme 1 day
Narrator: it does not work on Lemmy
The EU’s been breathing down Apple’s neck for them trying to do similar shit, so i find the timing kinda weird.
Plus they’d need to force-update their spyware first, i wonder how many versions of android they’re willing to go back.Yet Apple has been able to profit from their walled garden for decades now. Doesn’t that set a precedent that it’s okay? I honestly don’t blame Google for going this route—it’s inaction from our policymakers that has created the space for abuse.
When our policymakers take direction from capitalists, it’s ok to blame to capitalists.
I think the update is already installed, just waiting for the kill switch.
And they can suckle upon my peener.
I’ll go to Graphine or something else before I let the company for whom “don’t be evil” was too bold a statement dictate my fuckin’ choices.
I already ditched Windows. Can’t be that hard to cut Google out too.
Graphene has locked itself to google hardware, and google can cripple them at any point by stopping bootloader unlocks. We need to go deeper, or aim higher as it were
Is this only google phones or all of android?
Anything that “officially” has the google play store.
Sucks. Thanks.
I mean… it’s hilarious that people still use Chrome when it has been a known back actor for years and years. Firefox is an excellent option and the more people that use it, the more it encourages companies to keep supporting open web standards.
Likewise, if you set an iPhone to use Advanced Data Protection, it’s probably quite a bit more secure from intrusion than a similar Android phone. (And definitely more secure from subpoena.)
As shitty as M$ is, it would have been nice to see Windows phone become moderately successful and be a third primary mobile os.
That’s would just be Windows 11 S Mobile Edition, but you do not get the option to upgrade to Windows 11 Home Mobile Edition as you would on a PC
Or maybe you do get an option, but its a subscription for $50 per quarter-year. 🫠
And 16GB storage (because everything is being saved to OneDrive anyway).
I’d prefer that firefox os had caught on and turned into a big player today
I didn’t hate my Windows Phone when I had one.
I did, it fucking sucked
No way - it was a good phone at the time. I had a Lumia 640 and it worked like a charm. There was only a small range of apps, but the main features worked fine: mail, calendar, messaging, camera and route planner with a map. There were news readers, Acrobat. I did not miss much and if M$ sold it’s software better to other manufacturers than Nokia, I think it would have worked well and fitted between Apple and Google.
The year of the Linux mobile is coming.
Sign me the fuck up!
The specs look quite decent, and it even has an SD card slot. I really would love to get away from android.
IS THAT A FUCKING HEADPHONE JACK!?
Let’s go 🔥🔥🔥
I want to believe, I really do. But I fear that the crypto apps people have grown dependent on will make it harder than the desktop battle. And IDK but I seem to recall every year since at least 2001 being proclaimed to be the year of the Linux desktop.
I rely on my banking apps (plural), governmental email app, government authentificator app and the governmental LMS app for public schools to make my everyday function. And the last time I tried just a custom ROM, those apps refused to run.
A phone that can’t do NFC payment, banking and authenticator work is not a phone. It’s a pile of shit that’s little more than a toy for children.
Nothing wrong with toys, but they arnt useable products worth any amount of real money.
As long as companies can keep pumping shitty, almost entirely closed off android phones that cost less than 200 dollars for consumers (selling hardware at a loss while making up for data harvesting and sale), “linux mobile” will be just another meme along with “year of the linux desktop”
Neat! And a removable battery.
Debian too! Always liked me some Debian, super stable.
It’s nice, and good to see more of a push. However, I think kill switches for at least microphone and camera should be the new default. It’s absolutely ridiculous to walk around with an internet connected mic and a camera that looks at your face whenever you look at your phone. Personally, I’ll never carry a phone around anymore that doesn’t have mics and cameras desoldered or there’s a kill switch. For the back camera a cover with a slide is fine, but doesn’t really work with the front part.
of course google wants every developers id the second they get into bed with a fascist federal government
